Payback time for America's allies
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Re: Der ist doch auch schön ...
We did not start this fight, we were attacked on 9-11. However, we will finish this fight because it's the right thing to do. The costs will be great, but we cannot shirk our duty, we cannot dishonor those that died on 9-11. That's why we fight, to protect our freedoms and the freedoms of idiotic Americans everywhere...
We did not start this fight, we were attacked on 9-11. However, we will finish this fight because it's the right thing to do. The costs will be great, but we cannot shirk our duty, we cannot dishonor those that died on 9-11. That's why we fight, to protect our freedoms and the freedoms of idiotic Americans everywhere...
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iraq's fearful chemical weapons :
quelle : http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,239872,00.html
quelle : http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,239872,00.html
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By whom ??? Not Iraq !!!
Says who ??? Oh, right I know. Dubya said it: It is the will of the almighty!
Wow! Well, if God told him, he must be right, ha?
Yes, the lives of thousands of innocent Iraqi children for example. But you brave Americans are willing to make that sacrifice, right?
You are dishonoring them by killing innocent people in their name! The victims deaths are turned into a cheap propaganda tool to create more victims! What a shame!
You just dont get it, do you? Americans (idiotic or not) are not supposed to have freedom EVERYWHERE! Only in the USA, not in any place on earth you choose!
The USA is your country, Iraq or Afghanistan isnt!
If you wouldnt fuck around with other peoples countries, there would be no threat or terrorism against you!
Peace,
truth-searcher
P.S. Is that albino mutant supposed to be your prez? Though it looks familiar somehow! The artwork strongly reminds me of the german propaganda between 1933 and 1945.
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What absolutely shocks and disgusts me, is why you and others are not joining the civilized world in fighting this evil.
Iraq Ba'ath Socialist Party
On second thought, perhaps I do understand why.....
Like it or not, America will go to war against Iraq in the next few days.
Chilling new details of Saddam Hussein's reign of terror in Iraq – including prisoners being killed by being fed through industrial shredders – were revealed to MPs yesterday.
Researchers preparing an indictment of Saddam for crimes against humanity detailed evidence of torture, murder and ethnic cleansing gathered from witnesses in northern Iraq over the past few weeks. Their horrific report included eyewitness testimony of children being gassed in jail.
And the MPs heard an impassioned plea for military intervention from Shanaz Rachid, the daughter of prominent Kurdish leader Ibrahim Ahmed, who accused the international community of standing by for more than two decades while the Iraqi people suffered under Saddam.
Iraqi Kurds and Shia Muslims would welcome war to unseat the dictator, but were fearful that chemical weapons would be used to massacre them if US and UK troops withdrew from the area without toppling him, she said.
Ms Rachid was scathing about the role of French President Jacques Chirac in leading opposition to war, which she said the Kurdish people would not "easily forget".
Presenting evidence to MPs at the House of Commons, researchers from Indict – the organisation gathering evidence to prosecute Saddam and his henchmen – said many of the stories were so horrific they were difficult to believe.
But there was a "remarkable consistency" in evidence from many different sources, which boosted its credibility.
Witnesses had told them about prisoners having nails torn out, being given electric shocks to the genitals, tortured with boiling water and beaten. Women were suspended by the hair or legs in front of their families and raped, while their husbands were forced to watch.
Saddam's son Qusay – the head of Iraq's security and intelligence agencies – had administered mustard gas on prisoners, including a 12-year-old boy, whose father heard his screams from a neighbouring cell, they were told.
And Saddam's special adviser, Barzan al-Tikriti – Iraq's former representative on the UN Commission on Human Rights – had personally tortured detainees before their execution.
One witness, who spent 15 years in jail after being accused of using a false surname, described a particularly horrific method of execution: "There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were ... made to watch. "Sometimes they went in head first, and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. "Their remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food. On one occasion, I saw Qusay Saddam Hussein personally supervising these murders."
Kamaran Sabir, a member of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, who has worked with Indict, told MPs: "The war between Saddam's regime and the Iraqi people is continuing. It started decades ago and has caused thousands of deaths each year.
"Military co-operation to end Saddam's regime would be welcomed by the Iraqi people. We want to be able to live like the rest of the world."
Ms Rachid said: "Everybody keeps talking about the United Nations, but, as far as we are concerned, the UN has not done anything for the people of Iraq, and they will not do so.
"We have heard for so many years that the UN inspectors have gone in and destroyed weapons. As far as we are concerned, the UN could spend another 20 years going backwards and forwards to Bagdad, and nothing would change."
If the current military build-up did not lead to Saddam's overthrow, he would wreak his revenge on the Kurds of northern Iraq and Shia Muslims in the south, she claimed.
"If Saddam punishes us for siding with Britain and the US, I think that Britain, the US and the UN would be responsible for the death of millions of people in Iraq."
Members of the UN Security Council were responsible for selling weapons of mass destruction to Saddam over many years, and France's opposition to war appeared to be motivated in part by the hope of securing commercial contracts with the regime, she said.
"These people are asking for war," said MP Ann Clwyd, chairman of the Parliamentary Human Rights Group and vice-chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party. "They think it is the only way to overthrow Saddam. I have to agree with them."
12 March 2003
What absolutely shocks and disgusts me, is why you and others are not joining the civilized world in fighting this evil.
Iraq Ba'ath Socialist Party
On second thought, perhaps I do understand why.....
Like it or not, America will go to war against Iraq in the next few days.
Chilling new details of Saddam Hussein's reign of terror in Iraq – including prisoners being killed by being fed through industrial shredders – were revealed to MPs yesterday.
Researchers preparing an indictment of Saddam for crimes against humanity detailed evidence of torture, murder and ethnic cleansing gathered from witnesses in northern Iraq over the past few weeks. Their horrific report included eyewitness testimony of children being gassed in jail.
And the MPs heard an impassioned plea for military intervention from Shanaz Rachid, the daughter of prominent Kurdish leader Ibrahim Ahmed, who accused the international community of standing by for more than two decades while the Iraqi people suffered under Saddam.
Iraqi Kurds and Shia Muslims would welcome war to unseat the dictator, but were fearful that chemical weapons would be used to massacre them if US and UK troops withdrew from the area without toppling him, she said.
Ms Rachid was scathing about the role of French President Jacques Chirac in leading opposition to war, which she said the Kurdish people would not "easily forget".
Presenting evidence to MPs at the House of Commons, researchers from Indict – the organisation gathering evidence to prosecute Saddam and his henchmen – said many of the stories were so horrific they were difficult to believe.
But there was a "remarkable consistency" in evidence from many different sources, which boosted its credibility.
Witnesses had told them about prisoners having nails torn out, being given electric shocks to the genitals, tortured with boiling water and beaten. Women were suspended by the hair or legs in front of their families and raped, while their husbands were forced to watch.
Saddam's son Qusay – the head of Iraq's security and intelligence agencies – had administered mustard gas on prisoners, including a 12-year-old boy, whose father heard his screams from a neighbouring cell, they were told.
And Saddam's special adviser, Barzan al-Tikriti – Iraq's former representative on the UN Commission on Human Rights – had personally tortured detainees before their execution.
One witness, who spent 15 years in jail after being accused of using a false surname, described a particularly horrific method of execution: "There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were ... made to watch. "Sometimes they went in head first, and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. "Their remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food. On one occasion, I saw Qusay Saddam Hussein personally supervising these murders."
Kamaran Sabir, a member of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, who has worked with Indict, told MPs: "The war between Saddam's regime and the Iraqi people is continuing. It started decades ago and has caused thousands of deaths each year.
"Military co-operation to end Saddam's regime would be welcomed by the Iraqi people. We want to be able to live like the rest of the world."
Ms Rachid said: "Everybody keeps talking about the United Nations, but, as far as we are concerned, the UN has not done anything for the people of Iraq, and they will not do so.
"We have heard for so many years that the UN inspectors have gone in and destroyed weapons. As far as we are concerned, the UN could spend another 20 years going backwards and forwards to Bagdad, and nothing would change."
If the current military build-up did not lead to Saddam's overthrow, he would wreak his revenge on the Kurds of northern Iraq and Shia Muslims in the south, she claimed.
"If Saddam punishes us for siding with Britain and the US, I think that Britain, the US and the UN would be responsible for the death of millions of people in Iraq."
Members of the UN Security Council were responsible for selling weapons of mass destruction to Saddam over many years, and France's opposition to war appeared to be motivated in part by the hope of securing commercial contracts with the regime, she said.
"These people are asking for war," said MP Ann Clwyd, chairman of the Parliamentary Human Rights Group and vice-chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party. "They think it is the only way to overthrow Saddam. I have to agree with them."
12 March 2003
truth-searcher
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Hey, if you guys wanna just get rid of Saddam, go ahead. No problem with me!
But not by bombing the people of Iraq!
And not by means of faking intelligence reports or bribing other countries to comply!
Show some respect to the United Nations, it is a coucil of the whole world! Your officials should not lie in such a blatant way in front of the people of this planet!
And you present us a 12 year old student reports as a "fine intelligence paper".
How stupid do you think we are?
You bribe Turkey and other countries with billions of US$, while the kids in Oregon dont even have money for proper schoolbooks! Why are you doing this to your own people?
You can not win this way! This will come back to haunt you for a long terrible time!
Lets find another way to clean up the Middle East, violence is no solution here.
Oh, and what you call the civilized world is now only the US! Even the Brits are backing out of this war!
I know that the US will go ahead with this war, I aint that naive. But it will cost the US much more than just their own soldiers lifes and billions of money. It will cost you the trust of the people of this world!
And about Kurds in NorthernIraq:
Well, it is easy for them to shout for war! They cannot loose anything by it! They are not in danger of being bombed, they just wanna get rid of Saddam, no matter how many people in Central Iraq die!
Shame on them!
But they will be left behind by the US again, because there will be no kurdish state without Turkish permission!
Peace,
truth-searcher
- Ersteller
- #31
In Kabul, freedom on the streets courtesy of America.
Freed by the United States, Afghan girls play in public. 2 million Afghan girls were freed by the USA and now learn. Under the Taliban girls were forbidden to go to school.
Yes, I am proud to be an American and how we liberated the people of Afghanistan!
Freed by the United States, Afghan girls play in public. 2 million Afghan girls were freed by the USA and now learn. Under the Taliban girls were forbidden to go to school.
Yes, I am proud to be an American and how we liberated the people of Afghanistan!
- Ersteller
- #33
Have these Berlin children forgotten?
A group of Berlin children try to express their appreciation to Lieutenant Gail S. Halversen, the orginator of "Operation Little Vittles," for the thousands of packages of gum and candy he and his friends dropped over Berlin in tiny parachutes.
Miniature parachutes can be seen dropping from Halvorsen's C-54 as he brings the plane in for a landing at Tempelhof.
A group of Berlin children try to express their appreciation to Lieutenant Gail S. Halversen, the orginator of "Operation Little Vittles," for the thousands of packages of gum and candy he and his friends dropped over Berlin in tiny parachutes.
Miniature parachutes can be seen dropping from Halvorsen's C-54 as he brings the plane in for a landing at Tempelhof.
- Ersteller
- #36
OK -- Let's just say for a moment you bunch of
pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children
had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq.
Let's say that you really get your way
and we destroy all our nuclear weapons
and stick daisies in our gun barrels
and sit around with some white wine and cheese
and pat ourselves on the back,
so proud of what we've done for world peace.
Let's say that we cut the military budget to
just enough to keep the National Guard
on hand to help out with floods and fires.
Let's say that we close down
our military bases all over the world
and bring the troops home,
increase our foreign aid
and drop all the trade sanctions
against everybody.
I suppose that in your fantasy world
this would create a utopian world
where everybody would live in peace.
After all, the great monster,
the United States of America,
the cause of all the world's trouble
would have disbanded it's horrible military
and certainly all the other countries
of the world would follow suit.
After all, they only arm themselves
to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.
Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical,
idiotic, spoiled mugwumps.
Get your head out of the sand
and smell the Trade Towers burning.
Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn
did anything but encourage a wanton murderer
to think that the people of the U.S.A.
didn't have the nerve or the guts to fight him?
Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rankings
about George Bush makes about as much sense
as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.
You people need to get out of Hollywood
once in a while and get out into the real world.
You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out here.
Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked,
long distance truck driver that you don't think
Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.
Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military
that you think the United States
has no right to defend itself.
Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally
and see what the folks down there think about you.
You people are some of the most disgusting examples
of a waste of protoplasm I've ever
had the displeasure to hear about.
Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America.
You gave aid and comfort to the enemy.
How many American lives will your little,
"fact finding trip" to Iraq cost?
You encouraged Saddam to think
that we didn't have the stomach for war.
You people protect one of the most evil men
on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger
to save the life of an unborn baby.
Freedom of choice you say?
Well I'm going to exercise
some freedom of choice of my own.
If I see any of your names on a marquee,
I'm going to boycott the movie.
I will completely stop going to movies if I have to.
In most cases it certainly wouldn't be much of a loss.
You scoff at our military whose boots
you're not even worthy to shine.
They go to battle and risk their lives
so ingrates like you can live in luxury.
The day of reckoning is coming
when you will be faced with the undeniable truth
that the war against Saddam Hussein
is the war on terrorism.
America is in imminent danger.
You're either for her or against her.
There is no middle ground.
I think we all know where you stand.
What do you think?
pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children
had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq.
Let's say that you really get your way
and we destroy all our nuclear weapons
and stick daisies in our gun barrels
and sit around with some white wine and cheese
and pat ourselves on the back,
so proud of what we've done for world peace.
Let's say that we cut the military budget to
just enough to keep the National Guard
on hand to help out with floods and fires.
Let's say that we close down
our military bases all over the world
and bring the troops home,
increase our foreign aid
and drop all the trade sanctions
against everybody.
I suppose that in your fantasy world
this would create a utopian world
where everybody would live in peace.
After all, the great monster,
the United States of America,
the cause of all the world's trouble
would have disbanded it's horrible military
and certainly all the other countries
of the world would follow suit.
After all, they only arm themselves
to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.
Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical,
idiotic, spoiled mugwumps.
Get your head out of the sand
and smell the Trade Towers burning.
Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn
did anything but encourage a wanton murderer
to think that the people of the U.S.A.
didn't have the nerve or the guts to fight him?
Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rankings
about George Bush makes about as much sense
as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.
You people need to get out of Hollywood
once in a while and get out into the real world.
You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out here.
Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked,
long distance truck driver that you don't think
Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.
Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military
that you think the United States
has no right to defend itself.
Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally
and see what the folks down there think about you.
You people are some of the most disgusting examples
of a waste of protoplasm I've ever
had the displeasure to hear about.
Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America.
You gave aid and comfort to the enemy.
How many American lives will your little,
"fact finding trip" to Iraq cost?
You encouraged Saddam to think
that we didn't have the stomach for war.
You people protect one of the most evil men
on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger
to save the life of an unborn baby.
Freedom of choice you say?
Well I'm going to exercise
some freedom of choice of my own.
If I see any of your names on a marquee,
I'm going to boycott the movie.
I will completely stop going to movies if I have to.
In most cases it certainly wouldn't be much of a loss.
You scoff at our military whose boots
you're not even worthy to shine.
They go to battle and risk their lives
so ingrates like you can live in luxury.
The day of reckoning is coming
when you will be faced with the undeniable truth
that the war against Saddam Hussein
is the war on terrorism.
America is in imminent danger.
You're either for her or against her.
There is no middle ground.
I think we all know where you stand.
What do you think?
captainfuture
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more than 3500 civilians killed in afghanistan :
http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb10/frieden/regionen/Afghanistan/opfer.html
sure, i do understand the us is in iminent danger, having found their powerful weapons now, which can go as much as 180 km, just enough to hit flordia !!!
http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb10/frieden/regionen/Afghanistan/opfer.html
sure, i do understand the us is in iminent danger, having found their powerful weapons now, which can go as much as 180 km, just enough to hit flordia !!!
JohnDiFool
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There is NO PEACE in Afghanistan.....is something like political and social Chaos!
Who pushed the Taliban up?
Who pushed Hussein up?
Who pushed Pinochet up?
Who pushed most Dictators on this Planet up?
YOU
Who is telling lies to the UN?
Who is telling lies to the own allies?
Who is telling lies to ALL on Earth?
YOU
Who believe that GOD want all this?
Who believe that GOD is on a "side"?
YOU and all other religious fundamentalists!
So go on, on your path under GOD, but be aware that you will FALL!
CARPE DIEM
JohnDerNarr
Who pushed the Taliban up?
Who pushed Hussein up?
Who pushed Pinochet up?
Who pushed most Dictators on this Planet up?
YOU
Who is telling lies to the UN?
Who is telling lies to the own allies?
Who is telling lies to ALL on Earth?
YOU
Who believe that GOD want all this?
Who believe that GOD is on a "side"?
YOU and all other religious fundamentalists!
So go on, on your path under GOD, but be aware that you will FALL!
CARPE DIEM
JohnDerNarr
captainfuture
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